tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post5383298412880668633..comments2024-01-08T08:19:14.579-05:00Comments on I Can't Believe I Ate The Whole Thing!: Golden Hammer ThoughtsAstinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04349033187012323688noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-17050765403610580882010-12-16T13:41:13.527-05:002010-12-16T13:41:13.527-05:00God I hate when he undermines me like that.God I hate when he undermines me like that.Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031535857121915911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-72159316610489469812010-12-16T12:46:56.623-05:002010-12-16T12:46:56.623-05:00Hoy totally bought the seat and would have lost.Hoy totally bought the seat and would have lost.SirFWALGManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310209706844541719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-54543202990279461082010-12-16T12:42:33.578-05:002010-12-16T12:42:33.578-05:00Btw of course I was kidding about my "buying&...Btw of course I was kidding about my "buying" the BBT seat way back when. What I did was about as far from "buying a seat" as one could possibly get -- I had a chip lead and was easily the more skilled player at the game (stud hilo as I recall), playing against a guy I'd never heard of who doesn't blog, and I wouldn't in a gillion years <i>ever</i> have even thought of a chop let alone suggested it. <i>He</i> was the one who suggested it, I was really not wanting to do it and told him so, and then he insisted that he could not play in the ToC regardless, was not going to be available. I <i>still</i> pushed back on him, but he wasn't going to play it out. I refused to offer him any more than an even-money split of the remaining prize pool because I had zero desire to chop for the seat, and he accepted after being the only one to push for the chop all along. It would be difficult to imagine someone "buying a seat" less than I did under those circumstances.<br /><br />And let's not even mention that twice in the preceding few weeks before my "buying the seat", two different bloggers in two different tournaments had basically paid over the entire first-place money to someone after lobbying hard to get them to give up the seat in exchange for the money.<br /><br />Just sayin'.<br /><br />It's also hard to imagine someone giving (only) me crap for weighing in with my two cents on this issue when you posted it on your blog, but I guess that's just what bloggerdom has become these days.Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031535857121915911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-56152314893870274152010-12-16T10:31:01.816-05:002010-12-16T10:31:01.816-05:00Hoy - glad you brought this up, because I thought ...Hoy - glad you brought this up, because I thought about it too. I don't think I had a problem with you buying the seat back then. Any deal is valid at the tables as far as I'm concerned.<br /><br />I can't recall exactly, but you either bought the seat off someone who already had one, or just didn't care about the BBT itself. <br /><br />What annoys me with this instance is that it wasn't a bunch of random people at the table. If it was some of my friends, some G-Vegas guys who don't blog, etc, then you'd have Don and 5 people who don't really care or understand about the trophy. But it was largely recognizable bloggers who had been to multiple events, taken part in the weekly games, and still actively participate in this community. For them to shrug and take the money still amazes me.Astinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04349033187012323688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-83627822538691520422010-12-16T10:11:14.175-05:002010-12-16T10:11:14.175-05:00Jasper - that's exactly the impression I got f...Jasper - that's exactly the impression I got from you.<br /><br />Ski - Like I said, I don't fault Don one bit. I have to think he was surprised the offer was taken too, and he gave everyone a couple chances to change their minds. I also don't doubt he wanted it more. It's also pretty likely that Don would have run over the last 5 players with his chipstack and won anyway. But that doesn't change that it took five bloggers basically declaring that they didn't care about winning for it to happen when it did.Astinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04349033187012323688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-44753706393277582152010-12-15T21:59:28.640-05:002010-12-15T21:59:28.640-05:00Leave it to Hoy to insert himself into it.
Havin...Leave it to Hoy to insert himself into it.<br /><br /><br />Having watched the final 4 tables down to 1 and given the fact that Don had easily 1/4 of the chips in play, I thought it was a pretty generous offer by him. I won't speak for him but he made an offer that he didn't think would be accepted and it was. He wanted the trophy more than anyone else at the table and got it. I respect your position, but I consider the trophy earned.23skidoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07721278592744759373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-31648658576276951812010-12-15T19:16:34.766-05:002010-12-15T19:16:34.766-05:00I can't speak to anyone else's motivation,...I can't speak to anyone else's motivation, but I intentionally waited to be the last one to speak. And I decided that I wasn't going to be the "new guy" going against what everyone else wanted. That being said, after the money agreement, we should have played it out. Hindsight.jasper6294https://www.blogger.com/profile/00942586281579022621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-91038841910154476612010-12-15T14:11:54.506-05:002010-12-15T14:11:54.506-05:00Is this even close to as bad though as that time t...Is this even close to as bad though as that time that I had the temerity to buy a BBT Tournament of Champions seat?<br /><br />Seriously, I had no idea six people chopped this thing up. That is pretty unbelievable. Not sure how anybody can really claim to have "won" the trophy. It's one thing if you're heads up and have a 10 to 1 chip lead -- the odds are strongly in your favor that you are going to win. But with six players left? That is a million miles away from knowing who the winner was going to be. How much of the chips in play did Don have when the chop occurred?Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031535857121915911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-79097784862549533642010-12-15T13:36:48.256-05:002010-12-15T13:36:48.256-05:00Dawn - I get where you and Buddy (I think?) came f...Dawn - I get where you and Buddy (I think?) came from. You were the shortstacks and it was a big jump in pay when your shot at winning was minimal. But the gap between 1st and 4th was not insurmountable.<br /><br />Even then - the shorties could have spoken up about the trophy being on the line too. No harm in counter-offering with "the money's good, but not the trophy."Astinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04349033187012323688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-61326523102562011282010-12-15T13:29:52.535-05:002010-12-15T13:29:52.535-05:00When its all said and done, the trophy is just tha...When its all said and done, the trophy is just that - a trophy.<br /><br />I agree with everything you said.<br /><br />put a * on the engraving.Schaubshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18022476308776632194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-22524113290000718052010-12-15T13:13:40.597-05:002010-12-15T13:13:40.597-05:00Ouch. Well, I guess I think you let me off the hoo...Ouch. Well, I guess I think you let me off the hook here since I had maybe four big blinds when I somehow managed to get third place money, so I will try not to cry myself to sleep too hard tonight.Dawn Summershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08950329945404552021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-38331352799720993352010-12-15T12:55:58.775-05:002010-12-15T12:55:58.775-05:00Food for thought, for sure.
-PLFood for thought, for sure. <br /><br />-PLShrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05404058806313927899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-42344151048280796632010-12-15T12:47:45.491-05:002010-12-15T12:47:45.491-05:00Good post man.Good post man.SirFWALGManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310209706844541719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30420753.post-37399388176966245072010-12-15T12:44:44.125-05:002010-12-15T12:44:44.125-05:00This would have never happened if Dawn hadn't ...This would have never happened if Dawn hadn't caught a river diamond to put me out 7thBayne_Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00102763865455445325noreply@blogger.com